[IDNO:230] Re: NSI's interests

Dave Crocker (dcrocker@brandenburg.com)
Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:15:08 -0700


At 11:25 AM 6/10/99 +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>But where do you stand yourself on the participation of Individual DN
>owners in the DNSO?

My emphasis on the importance of FIRST forming a substantial, substantive
constituency is just so that minor things like "my opinion" won't
matter. That is, if there is a real and substantial gathering of domain
name individuals, around the flag of "individual domain name owners", then
there is a demonstrated constituency and that constituency must be heeded.

Absent that formation, the discussion is largely academic and, frankly,
condescending. The condescension is the usual one of having a small -- and
self-appointed -- group think and claim that it knows what is best for a
larger group.

Personally, I note that the multi-year history of this topic, complete with
massive media coverage, is marked by a serious lack of involvement by
individual domain name owners. This suggests to me that they aren't
unhappy -- for now -- and do not need feel the need of representation.

But as I say, grow and focus the IDNO, or any other equivalent effort, and
my opinion becomes moot.

>You qualify for IDNO membership, yet you have not joined us.
>Do you really want us to succeed?

I want any and every constructive effort to succeed, including ones I don't
necessarily agree with.

That responds to part of your query. The other part doesn't matter.

> >AFTER reaching a sufficient 'mass', not before. For all of the enthusiasm
> >of the early members, take a look at the group's size and composition and
> >consider honestly whether it can yet claim that it has developed a broad
> >enough and large enough base of support to claim that it is a GLOBAL
> >representative for Internet individuals?
> >
>This appears to be an assessment of *us*.

yup.

>Who we are and how numerous we are is of political value, sure, but what we
>stand for is a principle:
>that Individual DN owners are stakeholders in the DNS.

A perfectly reasonable theoretical position. So far, the multi-year
history shows a lack of concern by that group of stakeholders.

>When the interim ICANN board decided to gerrymander the DNSO into
>constituencies, the Individual DN owners should have been included and
>given recognition as stakeholders.

"Gerrymandering" is, of course, a loaded term. One might also characterize
their effort as recognizing constituencies that have demonstrated a
significant history of interest and involvement in this activity.

>Only really motivated people join a group *before* they know that they are
>going to get any representation.

Well, in fact, that is precisely the point. Absent the motivation, there
is no way of legitimately claiming that the group is, itself, particularly
concerned about the activity. Absent that motivation, claims by others on
behalf of that constituency represent parental condescension.

d/

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