Re: [IDNO:256] Re: [vcerf@MCI.NET: ICANN Commentary (Mike Roberts, David Post)]

Kent Crispin (kent@songbird.com)
Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:24:37 -0700


On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 07:15:44PM +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> At 17:33 10/06/1999 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote:
> >Since ICANN and ISOC bashing seems to be a major topic on this list,
> >here's some material to counterbalance:
> >
> Please don't engage in myth-making , Kent. There has been no ISOC bashing
> on our list, --our member Kevin Conolly was quite wrong and off topic with
> that; we were actually critiquing NSI-- and ICANN is a structure we intend
> to become part of.

I've only been on the list for a short time (my earlier attempt to
join seems to have failed somehow). But in that short time...here
are some quotes from recent messages...

Roeland seems to disagree with you:

"Thirdly, Kevin's point about the ISOC bashing should be
considered. Not all of us ISOC members are evil nor are we all
academics.<grin>"

And then he says:

"Forth, when Dyson made that statemnent she unilaterally spoke in
direct opposition to the ICANN's own by-laws. If it sticks, there
is clear evidence of lack of process. When an organization doesn't
even follow its own rules, but rather the voice of a single
individual, then it is not an organization. It is a dictatorship
and the single voice is its tyrant. I also believe that Esther
very much knew what she was doing when she did this and did it
anyway."

You said:

"When the interim ICANN board decided to gerrymander the DNSO into
constituencies..."

Srikanth Narra said:

"It was extremely heartening to see ICANN and NSI at loggerheads at
Berlin..."

and:

"It lid a tiny flame of hope that the fight between them would
explode and be hard, tough and really nasty."

and:

"ICANN seems to be hell bent on moving them to the irrelevant role
of being just another domain name issuers and in process 'Surping'
NSI's traditional leverages of - policy implementation, root server
control and domain pricing - without subjecting themselves (ICANN)
to any kind of accountability or mandate what so ever other than
some spin doctoring in media."

and:

"As thing stand, right now, compared to ICANN - NSI seems to be an
angel to me."

and Karl Auerbach:

"Who am I to complain that those wise board members who set forth
the constituencies did so without thinking through all of this."

and

"The interesting part is how ICANN's behaviour has managed to make
NSI look good by contrast."

and

"Certainly ICANN's board itself is not providing a model of
adherence to its fundamental charter."

and

"But then again, ICANN's board has been no white knight. It is
ICANN's actions that make it comparatively easy to digest NSI's
manipulations."

And of course, Andy Gardner's quote from
comp.protocols.tcpip.domains, which I won't further quote, had a
definite anti-ISOC message.

> This list is not for bashing, but for constructing.

As an ICANN supporter, I find it a definitely hostile environment.
That is a fact.

> Otherwise your crosspost was appreciated.
> Please crosspost any peaceful overtures that you see on the ISOC list. Is
> it an open list?

No -- it is the members-discuss list of ISOC.

-- 
Kent Crispin                               "Do good, and you'll be
kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain