Kent's case is even clearer. I see absolutely no basis for declaring that
it is beyond the pale to ask (I have seen no "demand") whether this list has
an archive. There is also no evidence whatsoever that either Crsipin or
Crocker is paid to post to this list. I know of only one paid list
disrupter, but I don't think that he has posted to this list.
This effort's youth and vulnerability are reasons to resist censorship, not
to institute it. If we can not adequately defend our ideals and goals from
our critics within our own forum by any means short of silencing them, how
can we expect to do so elsewhere where we are in the minority?
Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> Dear IDNO Members,
>
> Luckily we already have a good voting system in place.
> It is easy to go to the website and show our collective will again.
>
> I must ask you to consider ostracising two people who have
> invaded our list
> and who are trying to play a well-tried routine at the expense of
> our unity.
> These people are known through their thousands of postings over the years
> of the DN wars. For some, they *are* the DN wars.
> Their postings are often disingenuous. They are often impolite and in
> breach of good form.
> Take for example the way Mr Crispin barged in, demanding to know where the
> archives were.
> Or Mr Crocker, the list-guest who "does not necessarily agree" with us,
> demanding that the listowner ceases a thread on peacemaking with ISOC,
> "immediately".
>
> At this stage we are still extremely vulnerable. We are still less than a
> hundred people who still have to come to a division of tasks to
> channel our
> energies to further the best interests of all Individual DN owners.
> We cannot afford to have paid people in our midst who have only one goal
> and that is to thwart us in organizing a credible constituency.
> And credible we will have to be. You heard that from Mr Crocker, and in
> that, I'm afraid, he is right.
> He said other things that are right too, and that makes what he is doing
> so insidious.
> Since he himself professed that we are better off without these
> DNS wars on
> our list, he makes it easier for us to ask him to do the honourable thing
> and leave us in peace, doing what he tells us is good for us.
> I would like to ask Mr Crispin, who reposts private messages and insults
> listmembers, to do the same thing.
>
> I ask both of you to leave. Please unsubscribe from idno.
>
> I am not silencing the discussion with you. All our members are free to go
> to the unmoderated ifwp list to continue the argument with you. Just not
> on our construction-list.
>
> To back up my request I am asking for a second for this motion
> and then ask
> the idno members of this list to vote on the issue. I hope you still
> remember login and password. Otherwise, ask me privately.
>
> Please read again the article in computerwire. It is in this context that
> I'm asking you to exercise your rights in our agora and to drop your
> ostrakon in the ballot box.
>
> Joop Teernstra
> terastra@imachination.com
> http://www.imachination.com
>
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