From kent Mon Jun 29 00:24:05 1998 Message-ID: <19980629002405.18912@songbird.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:24:05 -0700 From: Kent Crispin To: BAJABKRDS@aol.com Subject: Re: web References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from BAJABKRDS@aol.com on Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 10:31:30PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Content-Length: 5377 Status: RO On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 10:31:30PM -0500, BAJABKRDS@aol.com wrote: > Hi Kent, rec'd your reply to my e-mail. Thanks for making the changes. Re: > the e-mail. Whenever I receive anything from you on e-mail having to do with > the web > there is never any text. When I say I only get letters and numbers, that is > exactly what I get. Am I suppose to get text if anyone is responding to our > web page even though it comes from you? I guess I don't fully understand how > that works. If someone responds and they want more info. how do I know this? > > I'm confused. Theresa I'm confused, too. You said "Whenever I receive anything from you on e-mail having to do with the web there is never any text", but I just can't figure out what you mean. I'm not being cute, Theresa -- I actually just don't know what you mean. For example, you could certainly say that my last email to you on this topic had to do with the web, but apparently you could read it. On the other hand, if a message is only composed of meaningless letters and numbers, how can you tell it is a message that has to do with the web? Perhaps if I ask some specific questions I can come to a better understanding: 1) I gather that some of the messages you can read, but some of them you can't. Is that correct? 2) Are there messages that contain both meaningful text and meaningless letters and numbers, in separate sections? Or are the two kinds of messages completely separate? 3) Do the garbage messages look more like a) or b) or c) or d)below (note that all of these more or less fit your description of "letters and numbers" -- actually, there are many kinds of email messages fit that description). Or does the meaningless "letters and numbers" look different from any of these? If so, could you PLEASE send me a sample. Type it in by hand, if you have to. a) mQBtAzMlqw8AAAEDALc9qKk3L2AH9k8wEtwX5R6VkBj3jdqWmCUVB7STqtsE2jpv 3QzrbNi2GShGjiYxMv1jef7K6cA83sk3rrXhL0h8l3vx2mIN1j/XNb/ifdsbScP/ VZyZEXJMg3KGKsoHoQAFEbQgS2VudCBDcmlzcGluIDxrZW50QHNvbmdiaXJkLmNv bT6JARQDBRA0Ynipg1PaXv20bvEBAZv8B/doiByoLpxKzic77Ksw6uRtA3a6m8/J HY1B21DpDmXGj0rFL3U5vB0wHXKEPwD4XbsRsWC+xpNZNI0cuntsVqVnWrcwOEFz GEi6hl5iB6uVo6IKN4543hBNn0S0AsHkCP+1cf2wqgKDWacYMVYrPftkZDoPrvdY A/sWcVuGjq0LWi0RNAvOZ1QNgBVzwvuUHmprJUGGX+aHZJL1gz7F/KLKpFD96glr b) Catagory 5 Catagory 6 Catagory 7 Catagory 8 Catagory 9 Catagory 10 c) 193.84.36.119 - - [23/Jun/1998:01:36:22 -0700] "GET /pix/icons/llogo.gif HTTP/1. 0" 200 2084 http://songbird.com/gc/why.html 193.84.36.119 - - [23/Jun/1998:01:36:22 -0700] "GET /gc/gc0_t.gif HTTP/1.0" 200 26283 http://songbird.com/gc/why.html snow.digimarc.com - - [23/Jun/1998:01:44:54 -0700] "GET /canyonx/images/backgrou nds/bullet1x.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 293 http://songbird.com/canyonx/ d) Received: from wren.songbird.com (wren.songbird.com [206.14.4.6]) by +songbird.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09884; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:17:24 +-0700 Received: from songbird.com (kent@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wren.songbird.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02922 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:14:27 -0700 Sender: kent@wren.songbird.com Note that all three of these samples are very different in style, they all are largely composed of "letters and numbers", and they all are possible contents of mail messages. 4) At the very bottom of your home page is an email link. It looks like this: e-mail: baja@songbird.com except that the "baja@songbird.com" is probably underlined. If you click on that underlined part you should be able to send yourself a mail message, through the web page. Have you tried this experiment? If not, please do. Let me know what happens when you tried it. 5) How many of these "letters and numbers" messages have you received, exactly? Do you still get them? Do you get them from anyone but me? How is it that you determine that they are from me? To summarize, Theresa, I am genuinely puzzled: I have extensively tested your setup. I have sent messages through to you and intercepted them every step, and they are all clean. When I substitute my address for yours in the chain, I get good messages. In general, I receive literally thousands of emails a month, and send maybe 50 a week, to people all over the world and with all kinds of systems, and not a *single one* reports any problems like yours. I run mailing lists that distribute several emails a day to several hundred subscribers. Finally, I have several customers who use songbird for their primary email, and *they* report no problems. I won't say that it's impossible that something is wrong here at Songbird -- I've been wrong before, but there is absolutely nothing unusual about your setup -- it is completely standard, and very simple. In short, I have reached a point where, barring useful information to the contrary, I must assume that there is something unusual in your configuration at home. That's why I am asking all these questions -- if there is an answer to be found, it will be in the details that you can send me... -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html From kent Mon Jun 29 09:55:43 1998 Message-ID: <19980629095543.12735@songbird.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:55:43 -0700 From: Kent Crispin To: Jim Fleming Subject: Re: Creation of a "Transition Trust" References: <01BDA351.EA5D3F60@webster.unir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: <01BDA351.EA5D3F60@webster.unir.net>; from Jim Fleming on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:34:44AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Content-Length: 554 Status: RO On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:34:44AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: > On Monday, June 29, 1998 11:17 AM, Kent Crispin[SMTP:kent@SONGBIRD.COM] wrote: > @Thanks very much for putting out the June 26 Discussion Draft -- it > @very succinctly outlines many of the issues. > @ > > Who are you thanking ? The entity that put out the Discussion Draft. -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html From kent Mon Jun 29 09:58:49 1998 Message-ID: <19980629095849.36743@songbird.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:58:49 -0700 From: Kent Crispin To: Jim Fleming Subject: Re: Creation of a "Transition Trust" References: <01BDA353.CA023FC0@webster.unir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: <01BDA353.CA023FC0@webster.unir.net>; from Jim Fleming on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:48:09AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Content-Length: 769 Status: RO On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:48:09AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: > On Monday, June 29, 1998 11:55 AM, Kent Crispin[SMTP:kent@songbird.com] wrote: > @On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:34:44AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: > @> On Monday, June 29, 1998 11:17 AM, Kent Crispin[SMTP:kent@SONGBIRD.COM] wrote: > @> @Thanks very much for putting out the June 26 Discussion Draft -- it > @> @very succinctly outlines many of the issues. > @> @ > @> > @> Who are you thanking ? > @ > @The entity that put out the Discussion Draft. > @ > > Who is "the entity" ? I don't know. -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html From kent Mon Jun 29 10:08:32 1998 Message-ID: <19980629100832.06734@songbird.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:08:32 -0700 From: Kent Crispin To: Jim Fleming Subject: Re: Creation of a "Transition Trust" References: <01BDA354.5FD1B080@webster.unir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: <01BDA354.5FD1B080@webster.unir.net>; from Jim Fleming on Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:52:20AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Content-Length: 1363 Status: RO On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:52:20AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: > On Monday, June 29, 1998 11:58 AM, Kent Crispin[SMTP:kent@songbird.com] wrote: > @On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:48:09AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: > @> On Monday, June 29, 1998 11:55 AM, Kent Crispin[SMTP:kent@songbird.com] wrote: > @> @On Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 11:34:44AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: > @> @> On Monday, June 29, 1998 11:17 AM, Kent Crispin[SMTP:kent@SONGBIRD.COM] wrote: > @> @> @Thanks very much for putting out the June 26 Discussion Draft -- it > @> @> @very succinctly outlines many of the issues. > @> @> @ > @> @> > @> @> Who are you thanking ? > @> @ > @> @The entity that put out the Discussion Draft. > @> @ > @> > @> Who is "the entity" ? > @ > @I don't know. > @ > > Wow...this is interesting...your Thanks had such a familiar ring to it... > I would not have expected that someone would use such a style > when responding to a nameless and faceless web site...amazing !! Don't be silly, Jim. I was just being polite. I don't know you, either, and I communicate with you in a familiar style. Strictly speaking, "Jim Fleming" means no more to me than "IANA". -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html From kent Mon Jun 29 21:09:56 1998 Message-ID: <19980629210956.24080@songbird.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:09:56 -0700 From: Kent Crispin To: nseamons@novell.com Subject: unsubscribed from gcboaters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Content-Length: 393 Status: RO I unsubscribed you from gcboaters, because your vacation program was responding to every mail, sending a notification back to the list. You can resubscribe when you get back. -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html