Re: Who is who in PAB? (and who votes on bahalf of who?)

From: Antony Van Couvering (avc@netnamesusa.com)
Date: Mon Dec 15 1997 - 09:46:20 PST


Amadeu,

Vote early, vote often.

I don't like this idea. I could join up many hundreds of people to the
gTLD-MoU (my accountant, my lawyer, my pizza delivery company) and vote on
their behalf.

Of course, we don't have a charter, so I suppose you can do whatever you
can get away with.

Antony

At 11:34 AM 12/15/97 +0200, Amadeu Abril i Abril wrote:
>(Summary: I represent different companies in PAB. More concretely I am the
PAB
>rep of two companies that are completely separate. May I vote for both?}
>
>Hi PABers,
>
>Here in PAB I represent FCR, a Research Foundation somehow dependent on the
>Catalan Government. FCR may display a huge Internet involvement, ranging from
>developing and managing the Scientific Ring (Catalan high-speed University
>network) to building up CESCA (Catalan Supercomputing Center), through
>creating CINET, one of the oldest ISPs in this area, and a signatory of the
>gTLD-MoU at Geneva, too.
>
>The FCR is a CORE Registrar through a new Department called Nominalia.
Even if
>initially I was supposed to just help FCR through the application process and
>then remain their legal advisor for this and other Internet-related affairs,
>I’ve found myself involved in CORE affairs on Nominalia’s behalf. But I’m
>neither their employee, nor their general outside counsel.
>
>Xarxa CINET S.L. (CINET)'s PAB rep used to be Josep Gaspa’; <rosa@cinet.es>,
>now changed to Montserrat Meya <mmeya@cinet.es>. CINET, as I’ve said, is one
>of FCR's “children”, a spin-off. It was once a FCR Department, then an
>independent society fully owned by FCR. It's now in the process of being sold
>out to outside investors. CINET’s management, different from FCR's, wanted me
>to be their *eye-on-PAB*, but I wasn't sure that I could represent two
>different entities (no rules on PAB functioning were even discussed). So they
>appointed a *formal* separate rep.
>
>Then I tried to convince other clients to sign the MoU. The first one was,
>last June, OLE. This is the most popular Net search service (index “a la
>Yahoo”) in Spanish. OLE owner, Pep Valles, is a former employee of the FCR,
>but this “personal” link is the only one remaining. He is also a CINET
client.
>Pep did not wanted to get involved in PAB discussions and asked me to
>represent him in PAB, but I declined as I was not sure that I could represent
>two different companies.
>
>Finally, last July Partal, Maresma & Associats S.L. (VilaWeb) also signed the
>gTLD-MoU. VilaWeb is also a web index service, this one in Catalan (the most
>important in this language and the second in Spain after OLE, at least before
>the launch of Magallanes, for which I don’t have reliable statistics).
VilaWeb
>director, Vicent Partal, insisted that he wanted me as their PAB rep, and so
>was stated in their signature form.
>
>Even if using different languages, VilaWeb and OLE are competitors
(Spanish is
>also an official language here in Catalonia). This is the only link they
have.
>There are no economic relations between FCR (or CINET) and VilaWeb. And it is
>no secret in Catalonia that their personal relations are not very fluent....
>
>So I find myself reporting PAB developemnts to four different companies. And
>formally representing two of them, with no relation whatsoeve between them.
>
>I use this long explanation for two purposes: first, to underline once more
>the near impossibility to define rules excluding “CORE members” from PAB
>representation. I’m in CORE while not being a registrar. I represent a

>registrar AND a company that has nothing to do with such registrar.... Good
>sense, more than rules should sort out this problem (even if I agree with the
>principle of avoiding cross-representation and I’m a little bit conxcerned
>about how this is being treated in this concrete electoral process).
>
>The second one, and more urgent is to know whether PAB (and PAB ExCom)
>considers that I should be able to vote on bahalf of both FCR and VilaWeb,
two
>completely unrelated signatories of the gTLD-MoU and members of PAB. I
think I
>should, but I won’t without your permission.
>
>Amadeu
>



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