As you've referenced below, I too have had concerns
with the IFWP process. And there *were* some problems.
I even said so at the conference! But one thing is
certain -- the conference was a success.
It was a success because it helped people with different
opinions find their common ground. It also helped them
build rapor and trust.
If we are going to self-govern the Internet, then we
must stop trying to win a zero-sum game. It's time for
the Internet community to start working together on this
historic process.
I hope that you can attend the next IFWP event in Europe.
I'd very much like to meet you, so that we can find our
common ground as well.
Jay.
At 09:39 AM 7/4/98 +0200, Sascha Ignjatovic wrote:
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>i/we dont like ("ifwp")
>
>-the name
>-the origine and motive of it
>-home page colors
>-nonposibility to participate as individuum/small-organisation/company
>-the false claims to represent this and that organisation
>-the intention/statement that it is the main incorporator
>
> *iana is that one!*
> -never forget this!-
>
> claiming to be the "main incorporator" is the main point of critics
> instade to say "we are just one of groups we do our best and we accept
> iana as the main consensus building incorporator"
> they took to rolle of iana and propagate them self
> as "iana independent" becouse they are going to "incorporate iana" ?
>
>do you smell something ..?
>
>"..pfuiii .. hier stinks something! what is it..?"
>
> "We're going to succeed together or fail together with
> ----> this," said Barbara Dooley, executive director of the
> she ? Commercial Internet Exchange Association and one of
>the leader? the conference organizers.
>"who" is cix
>any/more/way ?
>to be the But the meeting's hasty planning, done by volunteers in
>"community" two weeks' time, has resulted in criticism from groups
>and "niana" many people have been left out of event
>"leader"? preparations.
>
>
> "I'm extremely encouraged by the depth and breadth of
> the people attending," said Jay Fenello, president of
> Iperdome, a small Internet-services and
> domain-name-registrar company. "But the way the
> conference is being put together leaves a lot to be
> desired."
>
> Fenello and other critics on mailing lists dedicated to
> domain-name policy have complained conference
> organizers made too many decisions in private. "It's
> very simple things. It's keeping people informed, even if
> they don't have answers to questions," Fenello said.
> "This does need to be an open process.
>???
>
>On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Jay Fenello wrote:
>
>> Sascha,
>>
>> You are objecting to a one paragraph summary of a six
>> hour group discussion. Here are some subtleties:
>
>by the way where are the informations about this meetings anymay ??
>
>> This is only the first meeting in the IFWP process.
>> More will follow. We have the EC meeting on the 7th,
>> the INET meeting on the 24th and 25th, and the Asia/
>> Pacific meeting on August 12th. We have various
>> discussion lists that are all dedicated to these
>> issues, including this one.
>
>no problem with that
>but a problem that this "ifwp is the umbrela" for all of this meetings !?
>
>> Everyone who participates in *any* of these activities
>> was defined as an IFWP participant! And that includes
>> Kent Crispin, Dave Crocker, and Sascha Ignjatovic!
>
>no way mr.crispin personaly and probably in his capacity as pab
>chairman !-by the way whats with pab with gtld-mou.. not a word from ifwp
>declares him self not represented in ifwp and me too NOT !
>
>so why you are "defining" the ifwp as the
>"allincluding" organisation than ?
>
>ifwp is one of the organisaions-one of many but not the the "highest
>suprime" organisation of wich we are "just parts of"
>
>you should better forget this this will never work
>
>> That's why we were able to get consensus on this item,
>> otherwise the many CORE, ISOC, and International members
>> of this working group would have objected. They didn't.
>
>THERE IS NO CONSENSUS THAT IFWP IS THE UMBRELA ORGANISATION FOR THE
>IANA INCORPORATION PROCESS
>
>AND WILL NEVER BE BECOUSE IFWP IS *NOT* THE UMBRELA ORGANISATION !!!
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jay Fenello
>
>it is nice that you are so unity-angaged and so good minded but
>unfortunatly i can not accept your statement and offer that this
>ifwp is the organisation wich will lead the incorporation of the new iana
>
>it is one stakeholder but not "the summ of stakeholders"
>
>thank God that iana is in the right hands of dr.postel who garants
>that such "take overs" by "parts of the wholle" can not hapen !
>
>> President, Iperdome, Inc.
>> 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> "None of us knows where all this is heading, but if we get
>> it right, we have an opportunity that only comes once every
>> couple of hundred years."
>> -- Ira C. Magaziner
>
>
>we exactly know where internet is heading mr.magaziner
>dont wory
>be happy :-)
>
>
>thank you
>
>sascha
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