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>From: judyz@gps.caltech.edu[SMTP:judyz@gps.caltech.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 11:33 PM
>To: gcboaters@songbird.com
>Subject: RE: Re: Private Waiting List
>
>> I cut a lot of fat from this message, but the implication
>>is that people who are not self-employed or willing to quit
>>their job to take advantage of a cancelled permit don't want
>>to go badly enough to deserve it.Bullshit! In my career,
>>many other people depend upon me and I have over 20 years
>>invested. The point of most people who have a problem with
>>the current system is that it is heavily weighted with
>>commercial users when the numbers indicate that there is
>>much more demand for private use and that the current
>>allocation structure for cancelled permits gives no
>>consideration for length of time on the list. I am tired of
>>the condescending attitude from folks who don't have much to
>>give up toward those of us who have invested in careers that
>>don't allow long-term absences on short notice.. This is not
>>to knock anybody's lifestyle-we'd all like to be able to
>>live like Gypsies sometimes-but don't talk down to those of
>>us with mainstream jobs. Let's fix the system
>>
>I see your point, but there is a middle ground here. It is because of
>choices YOU have made that you can't leave. I think that's what Bill was
>saying. It's what I think, too, to a large extent. I haven't gotten to do a
>lot of things, including lots of Canyon trips, because of decisions I have
>made, to go to school, get my PhD, do the whole shebang. I don't blame
>anyone else for the consequences of those decisions, including not going on
>Canyon trips every year. I also have friends who are "Gypsies" and they go
>on trips at least once a year if not more. Their choice. The price they pay
>is no home, no family, no steady income, no retirement fund, no health
>insurance. That's not a price I'm ready to fully pay with the result that I
>don't go on Canyon trips all the time, and I have to wait until my schedule
>allows me. With 20 years invested in something, you probably have a house,
>car, reasonably steady income, maybe a family - a lot of good things that
>have come as a result of your efforts, right? Well, one of the prices you
>pay is not being able to go on a Canyon trip whenever you want. The point
>is, we all make choices about what is important to us and there are
>benefits and costs to all those choices. We decide what our priorities are
>in balancing those costs and benefits. I would love to have more
>flexibility with this stuff, but I'm not ready to blame someone else for
>why I don't. This is a perfect time for me to go on about 4 30-day Canyon
>trips in a row. I just finished my degree and I have no job till June. I'd
>love it if I could call up and say, well, this is a good time for me, so
>I'll take my allottment of Canyon trips all at once right now please. Can I
>have permits for Jan 1, Feb 1, Mar 1 and April 1? But I can't and I think
>it would be a bit over the top for me to decide that was unfair. That's an
>extreme example, but extreme examples are useful to illustrate points.
>
>So, specifically to your points. I still think how much you want to go is
>to some extent represented by what you are willing to do to go. It's supply
>and demand just like the market place. How much you want something is
>reflected in how much you are willing to pay, to some extent.
>
>I don't dispute any concerns you have about commercial vs. private
>allocations being unfair.
>
>What is your suggestion for cancellations? Suppose someone cancels two
>weeks before their trip? Should NPS have to contact everyone on the list in
>order to see if they want the date? Shouldn't people who want cancellations
>have some obligation to call up and ask for them? What is your proposal for
>allotting cancellation dates on short notice that doesn't require NPS to do
>all the work?
>
>I have to say that you could be accused of having a condescending attitude
>when you say that people who use the cancellation system as-is "don't have
>much to give up." That's totally unjustified. People give up a lot, whether
>through giving up a whole lifestyle of stability, or something more short
>term. You don't think those guys with Bill gave up a lot to go on their
>trip - quit your job, work double overtime, close your practice risking
>losing patients forever when they go to another dentist? How do you know
>how much they are giving up when they do that? It sounds like a lot to me.
>It is more than you are willing to give up, right? There's nothing wrong
>with either decision, but it is frankly arrogant to assume that what you
>would be giving up has such a much greater absolute value than what they
>gave up, that their sacrifice should be dismissed.
>
>This is not to knock anybody's lifestyle. We'd all love to have a house, a
>family and a steady income sometimes, but don't talk down to those who
>choose different priorities.
>
>Fine, let's fix the system, but remember, it's not necessarily "fixed" just
>when it begins to cater to your needs rather than someone else's.
>
>
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